Ep. 14: Living in Roscoe Village, Starting A Cottage Bakery, Riding Bikes and Craft Breweries feat. Rebecca Sutter!

Interview with Rebecca Sutter, owner of Rebecca's Confections. She shares her journey as a pastry chef, her experience running a home-based bakery, and her life in Roscoe Village and other Chicago neighborhoods. The conversation also delves into cycling in Chicago, local businesses, local breweries, and the neighborhood's community vibe. 

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[00:00:00] Jake: Hello and welcome to Living in Chicago, the podcast where I get to interview real Chicagoans about the neighborhoods that they live, work, and play in. My name is Jake Lyons, I am your host, and in this episode, I interview Becca Suter, who is the owner of Rebecca's Confections, a very local, small business that specializes in all kinds of tasty treats, ranging from cookies, brownies, jams, butters, cakes, and just anything that you can think of that's kind of within that, that realm of Food, uh, she has been a pastry chef for many, many years and all kinds of renowned places all throughout the city.

[00:00:36] Jake: She's also been a resident of different areas in the city. She's bounced around a little bit. And at this point now, she is a resident of the Roscoe village neighborhood, where she's been for a solid couple of years and has a lot to say about it. And if you are unfamiliar with Roscoe village, it is a neighborhood that is under the umbrella of the North center.

[00:00:55] Jake: community area. So you have like Lincoln Square to the north to the, [00:01:00] uh, to the east. You have Lakeview, you have Lincoln Park is just to the south and, uh, some places like, you know, Westtown, Bucktown, that's. Uh, just to the sort of southwest of that, it's pretty, pretty well located in terms of that a lot of good restaurants, a lot of, uh, interesting things to do.

[00:01:18] Jake: It's a little, it's a little sleepier maybe than a lot of other neighborhoods that you might know, um, in Chicago off the top of your head. But there's, uh, definitely, it's definitely not lacking for, you know, things to do and reasons to live there, which. We will be exploring in depth with Becca. And in fact, I'm not going to waste any more time.

[00:01:38] Jake: Let's just go ahead and get right into the interview so that we can hear from Becca Suter about what it's like to live in the Roscoe village neighborhood of Chicago.

[00:01:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Alright,

[00:01:48] Jake: Joined here today by Rebecca Suter. She is

[00:01:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: a

[00:01:51] Jake: resident of the Roscoe Village neighborhood, which is kind of under the umbrella of North Center, which we would have just went over. And

[00:01:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: she

[00:01:59] Jake: is [00:02:00] the owner of Rebecca's

[00:02:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Confections.

[00:02:02] Jake: which is a how would you say it?

[00:02:03] Jake: A cottage? What's the way that is?

[00:02:05] Becca: Cottage bakery. Yeah. That just means

[00:02:07] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bakery. It's

[00:02:08] Becca: a home based

[00:02:10] Jake: yeah.

[00:02:11] Jake: Yeah. so she'll she can have some interesting story to tell about all the work she had to do to even get that qualification, which is a fairly new thing by my understanding that you can even, you know, legally do. But yeah, so she makes all kinds of cookies and jams and baked goods and.

[00:02:25] Jake: Things like that. You can find her in all kinds of markets and farmer's markets and things like that all over the city. And also, it's a dog walker. Dog lover. So, hey, anybody

[00:02:37] Jake: in the

[00:02:37] Jake: Roscoe Village area who needs a dog, a good, reliable veteran dog walker. Maybe we can get into a little bit of that too, but hey, that's enough of that for now.

[00:02:44] Jake: Hey, Becca, how are you? How's it going?

[00:02:47] Becca: I am good. It was speaking of dogs, it is negative whatever disgusting outside and I was, I just got in from

[00:02:54] Becca: from carrying some dogs outside to go to

[00:02:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bathroom

[00:02:56] Becca: which was my life today, and making, there's some Bread [00:03:00] out here in the kitchen. I'm trying some new recipes over the winter while it's a little slower.

[00:03:04] Becca: So, getting some new stuff out there. We'll see.

[00:03:08] Jake: Let's give the audience a preview. What's what's literally cooking back

[00:03:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there?

I want to try

[00:03:12] ep 14 sutter zoom video: some new

[00:03:13] Becca: kinds of bread. I've been doing lots of sourdough. I Started during the pandemic as everyone did, right?

[00:03:19] Becca: He's almost four now, I guess.

[00:03:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Which is.

[00:03:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Bizarre

[00:03:22] Becca: Like, that was not like four years ago. Right. But

[00:03:24] Misc: yeah, yeah

[00:03:25] Jake: see,

[00:03:25] Becca: So,

[00:03:26] Jake: but it really was. It really was. That's like a whole Tenure of like being in high school or college ago was somehow the that's always how I think of time for some reason is like four year increments of like, that's how long high school was, that's how long college is for most, for

[00:03:40] ep 14 sutter zoom video: a lot of people, you know, whatever, like, yeah, I don't know. For some reason,

[00:03:43] Jake: I think of things in terms of like four year increments and yeah, that's just, it is wild that COVID, the whole COVID era, the 2020s are already this old, but yeah.

[00:03:52] Jake: Here we

[00:03:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: are.

[00:03:53] Becca: So

[00:03:53] Becca: Dwight's still

[00:03:53] Becca: going strong but I was trying some

[00:03:55] Becca: brioche

[00:03:56] Becca: once I get the recipe down, I'm gonna kind of play with a little bit and see how [00:04:00] I can possibly like, bake some jam inside of the brioche and do like little buns or something.

[00:04:05] Becca: Maybe, like,

[00:04:05] Becca: some vodka.

[00:04:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: uh,

[00:04:07] Becca: And just I want to find more ways to get jam in some pastries because I made pop

[00:04:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Tarts, Pop Tarts.

[00:04:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah. Um,

[00:04:12] Becca: over the summer for farmer's markets and those were super popular when they're filled with

[00:04:15] ep 14 sutter zoom video: my jam

[00:04:16] Becca: So, I'm going to try to expand a little bit, figure that out, it was a good day for, It

[00:04:22] Becca: was a good day for just having the oven on yesterday, so I figured why not.

[00:04:27] Jake: So it's like instead of jelly filled donuts, it's jam filled

[00:04:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bread. Yeah. Yeah, they still get a little bit of that.

[00:04:33] Becca: yeah,

[00:04:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Thinking

[00:04:35] Becca: like little, little buns, maybe like a little four ounce. Like a few, a few

[00:04:39] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bites. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:40] Jake: Yeah.

[00:04:42] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So

[00:04:42] Jake: you've had the business for, you know, just this three or four year period, but you've been, you know, you've been a pastry chef for much longer, right?

[00:04:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: You've

[00:04:49] Jake: been all over the city doing different things.

[00:04:51] Becca: Yeah. I moved to Chicago in

[00:04:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: 2005.

[00:04:54] Becca: 2005.

[00:04:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So

[00:04:55] Becca: that was a long time ago.

[00:04:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Oh, wow. Yeah. It was a long time ago now.

[00:04:59] Becca: [00:05:00] Yeah. Actually now I've lived here longer than I lived where I grew up. So

[00:05:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that's also

[00:05:05] Becca: like measuring in decades once again.

[00:05:07] Jake: Huh.

[00:05:08] Becca: but yeah, I moved here in 2005 to go to culinary school. At the time there wasn't like, pastry, like, degrees

[00:05:16] Becca: and so I wanted to get, like, an associate's degree at least and so I did that and then ended up just in a pastry department of a catering company

[00:05:25] Becca: After culinary school,

[00:05:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and kind of just

[00:05:28] Becca: took other, pretty deliberately took some other

[00:05:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: jobs.

[00:05:32] Becca: I guess.

[00:05:32] Becca: Oops. That weren't catering like I really like that, but I wanted to be well rounded and kind of be able to try lots of different stuff, really see where my strengths were in the industry. And so, yeah, started out in catering and then like pastry chef at some restaurants. I worked overnight bread baker then like hotels worked at a small like Filipino bakery.

[00:05:53] Becca: Which is really interesting for like flavor combinations

[00:05:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that like I

[00:05:56] Becca: wasn't used to.

[00:05:57] Becca: What else? Yeah, all sorts of like, [00:06:00] like cafes. I worked for a marshmallow company. All sorts of stuff. So I felt like I was pretty well rounded to be able to have my own business basically.

[00:06:09] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So

[00:06:10] Becca: we were talking that cottage food is what it's called when you have like a home based Food business.

[00:06:13] Becca: Anyhow, and Chicago had some of the most restrictive laws in the nation. Actually, it just became legal. Well, it's January now. So two years, two years ago, it became legal. And so, I basically I quit my job and took some classes through Rogers Park Business Alliance. They have a program called Grow that I've actually recommended to a few other people.

[00:06:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That,

[00:06:35] Becca: it's the one I did was 10 weeks and basically you just I did online because pandemic. But I think they do in person now too. I'm not quite sure. But they. Have 10 different sessions for it's two hours a night and then you have one

[00:06:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: hour

[00:06:49] Becca: of like a specialist comes in and so that

[00:06:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: be

[00:06:52] Becca: maybe like a lawyer, maybe a tax professional kind of, you know, of actual, like a writer, how to talk about

[00:06:58] Becca: your business.

[00:06:59] Becca: And just [00:07:00] give like a really quick rundown of like the top three things you need to know about that topic. If you're just starting out. And then an hour of like, like writing business plans and kind of just talking to other people, figuring, you know, what are the questions that you have that we might have resources to give you.

[00:07:15] Becca: And so that was super helpful

[00:07:16] Becca: to to just

[00:07:16] Becca: Get all the things like on your radar, at least, like, I might not have

[00:07:19] Becca: the answers,

[00:07:20] Becca: but I know that I need to figure them out.

[00:07:21] Becca: so that was, I would recommend that to anyone just starting out. So I did that and then I like filed for the LLC and got going from there.

[00:07:28] Becca: The paperwork didn't exist actually. When the law got passed, that was like as of January 1st, but the paperwork didn't exist for a few more months. So,

[00:07:36] Becca: I was one of the first people I think to apply. I was like waiting for that to come out. And then, yeah

[00:07:43] Becca: Farmers markets are. Had some of them like with all the paperwork because we don't have a business license.

[00:07:51] Becca: We have a registration so that can complicate some things with pop up markets and everything. And just figuring out exactly where you can fit in was a little difficult the first [00:08:00] year. And as it became more popular or as like markets had time to adjust to that, right? Cause they didn't know what the paperwork was going to be.

[00:08:07] Becca: So like for that first year, they didn't have a lot of. Like legislation about

[00:08:12] Becca: it, right? It was new.

[00:08:13] Becca: So

[00:08:14] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I feel like

[00:08:15] Becca: it's becoming a little bit easier the second, the second year because people are a little bit more used to it, or you kind of know what questions to ask for sure.

[00:08:22] Becca: But

[00:08:22] Becca: yeah it's nice to not have the overhead cost of, like, renting a

[00:08:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: shared

[00:08:27] Becca: kitchen space or having to

[00:08:28] Becca: I mean, I still have to plan, but not having, like, very scheduled, like,

[00:08:33] ep 14 sutter zoom video: well,

[00:08:33] Becca: are the two hours that I have.

[00:08:34] Becca: I can kind of be like, okay, like, it's going well. I want to do more. It's not like,

[00:08:38] ep 14 sutter zoom video: so

[00:08:38] Becca: scheduled, which is nice. So.

[00:08:40] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Right.

[00:08:41] Jake: Yeah, that's cool. And that's that's, that's awesome that you're like a pioneer in this space, like, you know, that you're that at the forefront of it, that, cause this is something that you've been wanting to do on, you know, like a legal level for a while. And yeah,

[00:08:54] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that's cool that you

[00:08:54] Jake: were, you were in that, in the know enough to be one of the first, the first people.

[00:08:59] Becca: [00:09:00] yeah I kind of I would,

[00:09:01] Becca: You know, I've always been like making stuff for people.

[00:09:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And

[00:09:04] Becca: everyone's like, Oh, when are you going to open your own place? Then I kind of deliberately worked at some smaller places, smaller bakeries and cafes and things to just see, okay, what is it like when you know, you have a small bakery or whatever, and the people who own it are never the ones. Actually doing the baking and not in a bad way like they don't have time because

[00:09:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Your

[00:09:24] Becca: internet went out or someone lost their

[00:09:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: keys

[00:09:26] Becca: or this or that right like they're, you know, their business owners not necessarily bakers, and I. Don't really want to be a business owner per se,

[00:09:36] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like that's

[00:09:37] Becca: really the goal here.

[00:09:38] Becca: The goal is to be able to be a baker and so in my scenario that kind of works, but I think as soon as you open, a storefront that kind of goes out the window, right?

[00:09:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Necessarily. And

[00:09:47] Becca: so, it's like, hey, that I don't

[00:09:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: don't want to

[00:09:49] Becca: that. I don't really care if you know, the espresso machine's broken, I need to go fix that, and then someone needs the Wi Fi password.

[00:09:54] Becca: Like, I don't want to do that every day, that doesn't sound

[00:09:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: nice. I

[00:09:57] Becca: so I was always joking with people, and I was like, oh yeah, when [00:10:00] I can do it, when I can do it at home by myself, then I'll do it. And then, you know, ten years later, Chicago's like, okay, yeah, so,

[00:10:07] ep 14 sutter zoom video: here I am.

[00:10:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: In fact, you're like, oh,

[00:10:10] Jake: oh, okay. Well, all right. I guess it's, I guess I need to, then I've been saying this forever.

[00:10:14] Becca: Yeah, so it is nice

[00:10:15] ep 14 sutter zoom video: because I

[00:10:16] Becca: did have after, you know, 18 years or whatever, I have a decent collection of

[00:10:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of of

[00:10:21] Becca: ideas and stuff. And so there's

[00:10:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: No

[00:10:23] Becca: shortage of ideas to get things out there. It's just

[00:10:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there are restrictions

[00:10:26] Becca: on what you can make, obviously, like you can't

[00:10:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: have,

[00:10:30] Becca: People aren't, you know, they're not gonna let you be at a farmer's market making whatever you want that's possibly gonna make people sick. So, you know,

[00:10:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: baked goods are

[00:10:35] Becca: are a safe bet. So you have to turn in your menu ahead of time to the city. And then once those things are approved, you can pull from there.

[00:10:44] Becca: So I just turned in, like, anything that I knew how to make that

[00:10:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: fit

[00:10:48] Becca: under their guidelines. It's on my, in theory, on my menu.

[00:10:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: But then

[00:10:53] Becca: I can, I have a large list of things to pull from if I want to change stuff up.

[00:10:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:10:58] Jake: imagine once you start getting into [00:11:00] like meat and cheese and stuff like that, that's

[00:11:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: probably

[00:11:02] Jake: a bit of a different, different

[00:11:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: category, not you can't do that for cottage.

[00:11:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So

[00:11:05] Becca: there's, yeah, there's

[00:11:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: only.

[00:11:07] Becca: it's a smaller window of things that you're allowed to make, but I

[00:11:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that makes sense though.

[00:11:11] Becca: yeah, yeah, it all tracks. And I'm, yeah, I'm glad that they're doing it. I would go to farmer's market cities and you would see, you know, all this other stuff, people able to share like what they can do.

[00:11:21] Becca: And it's like, Oh, man, because like you could do it in

[00:11:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: the suburbs

[00:11:24] Becca: too. It was, it was just Chicago city limits.

[00:11:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So,

[00:11:27] Becca: yeah. And so it was

[00:11:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like,

[00:11:30] Becca: Oh man, like so

[00:11:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: close

[00:11:32] Becca: and so far, you know,

[00:11:33] Jake: Did you ever,

[00:11:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: did you ever consider

[00:11:35] Jake: moving? Sorry to interrupt. Did you ever consider moving to a suburb so that you could do it earlier before you knew that you could, you know, that they were opening it up in Chicago?

[00:11:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: No,

[00:11:44] Becca: basically all the jobs that I had had were, you know, in the city and I don't I there's some maybe some

[00:11:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:11:52] Becca: would go to, but for the most part, I like to walk places

[00:11:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: a bike

[00:11:56] Becca: obviously I markets, I have to have a car, but

[00:11:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you know,

[00:11:59] Becca: we live in a Roscoe [00:12:00] village. We can walk basically anywhere we want.

[00:12:02] Becca: So I, I really value that.

[00:12:05] Becca: So there's not not a lot of other suburbs I think that would hit the hit the mark for that.

[00:12:11] Jake: Right. Yeah. Maybe Evanston or

[00:12:13] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like Oak Park, something,

[00:12:14] Jake: some, one of the ones that's like along the CTA. So you still kind of feel like it's city, but even though, you know, technically it's not.

[00:12:21] Becca: Right. Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:23] Jake: What part of Ohio are you from?

[00:12:25] Becca: I am from a very small town called Shelby, and that is I like to tell people that it's 45 minutes south of Cedar Point. If

[00:12:33] Jake: Huh.

[00:12:33] Becca: you're a roller coaster person, then get off the same exit on 8090 and go down. And that's that's where I'm from.

[00:12:40] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Okay.

[00:12:41] Jake: So you

[00:12:42] ep 14 sutter zoom video: take

[00:12:43] Jake: just take a wrong turn when you get off of 80 and go 45 minutes and you'll be okay.

[00:12:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That's

[00:12:48] Jake: enough. I do love Cedar Point. Once or twice I've been there, so that helps.

[00:12:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Cool. Yeah. So

[00:12:53] Jake: what about Chicago

[00:12:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Maybe

[00:12:56] Jake: Why Chicago, I mean,

[00:12:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: besides.

[00:12:59] Jake: I would imagine like [00:13:00] Cleveland probably has culinary schools and places in Pennsylvania and whatnot.

[00:13:03] Jake: Like why,

[00:13:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: why did you jump over to

[00:13:05] Jake: Chicago?

[00:13:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I, yeah, I

[00:13:07] Becca: wanted to just get out of get out of Ohio. Kind of felt like. High school was high school and I wanted to just do something else and a lot of people stay in state. Ohio has like a ton of colleges. So, and a lot of good ones too. So,

[00:13:21] Becca: A lot of people stay stay in state and I kind of just really wanted to

[00:13:24] Becca: you know, I felt like that would kind of be more of the same and I didn't want to do that.

[00:13:27] Becca: And also just, you know, when I was doing an associate's degree, that is very much like. These are people you're making connections with that maybe you're going to work with or whatever, and Chicago is such a good food city that, you know, I felt like I should make those connections in a place

[00:13:44] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that.

[00:13:45] Becca: I would want to stay instead

[00:13:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of like,

[00:13:47] Becca: okay, well, I did all these things over here, but that's not really where I want to end up. You know, it is driving distance like I, you know, six hours, you know,

[00:13:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you can do it in a weekend.

[00:13:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, right on the

[00:13:57] Jake: edge of driving

[00:13:58] Becca: [00:14:00] Yeah

[00:14:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah,

[00:14:00] Becca: so. Yeah, the posters behind me, these are actually

[00:14:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Ohio

[00:14:03] Becca: Brewery land grant

[00:14:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and I'm actually I'm

[00:14:05] Becca: actually wearing a Blue Jackets sweater, you

[00:14:07] Becca: can't see,

[00:14:08] Becca: but

[00:14:08] Jake: right on.

[00:14:09] Becca: I still go back to Columbus and, and hang out, but I feel like I just needed a fresh start, and, Might as well put down roots somewhere that was going to be You know, , you can find any kind of food here and in Chicago, if I wanted to

[00:14:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: specialize

[00:14:22] Becca: in something I was going to find it

[00:14:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: here and

[00:14:25] Becca: Yeah, I feel like it was a,

[00:14:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: It

[00:14:28] Becca: a great choice.

[00:14:28] Becca: I pretty much moved and never considered leaving. So

[00:14:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: nice.

[00:14:33] Jake: Yeah, I guess I imagine especially in, in that kind of like 2004 2005 window when you would have been making that, when you would have been making that decision for yourself, like, you know,

[00:14:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there's probably

[00:14:43] Jake: people listening to this now who would say like,

[00:14:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: wait,

[00:14:45] Jake: Cleveland? Like, Cleveland's actually pretty cool now.

[00:14:47] Jake: You don't even know. Like, we've got all kinds of restaurants

[00:14:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it's, you know, you

[00:14:51] Jake: know, whatever. But it's like, yeah, we're talking 20 years ago. It probably wasn't, you know,

[00:14:57] Becca: you had,

[00:14:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: or insert

[00:14:58] Jake: any other city.

[00:14:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: [00:15:00] Right,

[00:15:00] Becca: yeah. Great Lakes Brewing real good food there. Right. And you can get if you eat there, you can get the trolley to Guardians game. have a free trolley there and really good food. So now there's stuff, yeah. At the time, you know, not really.

[00:15:14] Becca: And also, you know, the timing of that my backup career, Like what I would have done if I wasn't going to go into a creative or as creative career was I ended up getting a scholarship to Ohio State for

[00:15:25] Becca: journalism and,

[00:15:27] Becca: But, you know, that means that everyone that I graduated high school with was then getting out of college and you know, 2009 with all this debt and not a great economy.

[00:15:37] Jake: Huh.

[00:15:38] Becca: I'd already had a job by then and kind of was settled a little bit and so I was in catering and we got like slower when that went down but I didn't, you know,

[00:15:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I was fine everyone else is

[00:15:49] Becca: like mildly panicking because now they're trying to be adults for the first time for, you know, by themselves and

[00:15:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there's

[00:15:56] Becca: no jobs, they have all this debt after you know six months you're six months away [00:16:00] and then it's like, what are we doing here and I was like, Kind of glad I'm not in that boat.

[00:16:03] Becca: I'm trying to figure that out. So,

[00:16:06] Becca: I feel like I lucked out, but

[00:16:07] Jake: Yeah, you're graduating high school reading all the financials like I'm reading the tea leaves here I don't really like where these this housing markets going in the next

[00:16:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: to

[00:16:16] Jake: years. I think y'all are gonna be screwed I'm just gonna go learn how to cook pastries and I'll be

[00:16:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I wish I wish I could say that was it. I look real smart

[00:16:22] Becca: now, but I, that was, I was just like, I don't,

[00:16:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: don't I don't

[00:16:24] Becca: want to do this. Now we're going to go to Chicago and just do my own thing. And it worked out. So I, I'll

[00:16:29] ep 14 sutter zoom video: i'll

[00:16:30] Becca: I'll take some credit, I guess,

[00:16:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Okay.

[00:16:33] Jake: yeah. So when you were in, when you were in culinary school in Chicago, did you find that to be a common story people coming from all over, all over the state, the country, the world to, to study in Chicago? I mean, is that, I know Chicago is a renowned food city, but is that true on sort of like the educational level as well?

[00:16:51] Jake: Like people really come here for that.

[00:16:53] Becca: Yeah, that was like I got here right after Katrina. So there were actually a decent amount of people who just

[00:16:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: got the,

[00:16:59] Becca: came up [00:17:00] here. '

[00:17:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: cause

[00:17:00] Becca: there was the I think there was like three or four people in my my like one on one class that literally just relocated because of Katrina. But yeah, there was, I mean, there was some A

[00:17:09] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of

[00:17:09] Becca: Midwesterners, you know, and then, yeah, yeah, I feel like there was a good mix.

[00:17:15] Becca: And I feel like,

[00:17:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: feel

[00:17:16] Becca: like that was also kind of a weird time. I don't know exactly when like kind of the boom of like cooking shows started, but there were a few people in my class at my first few classes that were probably in their 30s and had had jobs in the industry already and were getting their careers.

[00:17:33] Becca: They're kind of looking for their next steps, and so they came to the, some of the 101 classes, you know, that's where you start, and

[00:17:40] ep 14 sutter zoom video: ended

[00:17:41] Becca: up dropping school as a whole, because, some of the chefs took them aside and were like, Look you don't need to be doing this you already are in these hotels, or you already have these connections yeah, like, you could do this, and you would have that on your resume as, like, A line item, right?

[00:17:56] Becca: But you know, you're gonna get those skills [00:18:00] by working and you're gonna get paid for it this isn't really you don't need to be doing this I'm not saying I don't want you here, but I think a lot of people saw, like, TV shows or whatever, and were like, oh, this is a thing

[00:18:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I have

[00:18:10] Becca: to do to be in the industry, and that's, it's a good starting point, but it's also not necessarily true, like,

[00:18:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you're

[00:18:16] Becca: gonna, like

[00:18:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: You

[00:18:18] Becca: know, go into a kitchen and not just see it as just a job and really ask the people around you like, hey, what, what's this?

[00:18:25] Becca: Why is this? And start learning like, I don't think it's really necessary. A lot of

[00:18:31] Jake: To go to culinary school?

[00:18:32] Becca: yeah, a lot of places aren't going to ask you, you know, your credentials or like your, they're gonna, they're gonna want to see what you can do. They're not going to necessarily be like, oh, you don't have this degree.

[00:18:43] Jake: Yeah.

[00:18:44] Becca: The way that some other careers do. And so if you,

[00:18:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: if you

[00:18:47] Becca: know the stuff and you can, you know, if you're, yeah, if you're good at the job, then you don't necessarily need it. I think it was, I think at least the one I went to was definitely tailored towards younger people who were trying to get their foot in the door.

[00:18:59] Becca: Which is what I [00:19:00] needed. But Yeah, I would say it skewed younger for sure. And it was always actually kind of fun because anyone who worked in the building got got a free, got free classes. Like we didn't have our own building. It was like a floor, like a few floors of a building in the loop.

[00:19:12] Becca: And

[00:19:13] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you

[00:19:13] Becca: would always have a few people who were like, like our security guard or like, you know, whatever, who was like, I'll take this like culinary class. Which was always fun.

[00:19:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: But

[00:19:22] Becca: yeah, I think it was

[00:19:24] Becca: I think it was good for me, but I don't know that,

[00:19:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you

[00:19:27] Becca: know, if you're already in the industry and you already kind of have those connections, I don't know that I would necessarily recommend it to people because that's, you know, kind of, that's kind of what you're

[00:19:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: trying to do, in

[00:19:36] Becca: my opinion, is just get, get those

[00:19:39] ep 14 sutter zoom video: connections in the door.

[00:19:41] Jake: Yeah. Maybe, maybe it's a separating factor if you're on like the highest levels, like competing for like top chef jobs in high end restaurants and things. Maybe. I don't know.

[00:19:53] Becca: Yeah.

[00:19:54] Jake: Maybe. Maybe even not then. I don't know. I have no idea. Just throwing it out there. But yeah, that's interesting.

[00:19:59] Becca: Yeah.[00:20:00]

[00:20:00] Jake: What made you go into pastry specifically?

[00:20:02] Jake: Did you always know that you were going to do that? Because I mean, I feel like a fun fact about you is that you don't actually like sweet things.

[00:20:09] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So, yeah, I

[00:20:11] Becca: don't really. I, I was really fun for like, you know, three weeks and then I was really over it, you know, like, okay, I

[00:20:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: get

[00:20:18] Becca: it, you yeah, I, I do make pastries, but I like to make them. I feel like, like the, if I'm going to eat a pastry, it needs to have flavor besides sweetness. And so, it's kind of what I go for with like the jams and anything, but the jams especially.

[00:20:32] Becca: There's. you know, there's sweetness maple syrup or honey because that's going to lend itself an actual flavor instead of like, Oh, this is like sugar and some blueberries, you know,

[00:20:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you can

[00:20:42] Becca: use it as a, as a flavor component. I think that, you know, when you're putting something in a recipe that it should have, you know, a lot of function.

[00:20:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and I, yeah, yeah

[00:20:54] Becca: which has been interesting, actually just because then like the viscosity is different and like honey is perceived [00:21:00] sweeter than other things. So then you like you usually need to use less of it and kind of just figuring all those things out. But yeah, I I don't really eat candy. I will get pastries other places because things are always better.

[00:21:11] Becca: First of all, things are always better when you don't have to make them like

[00:21:15] Jake: Mm hmm.

[00:21:15] ep 14 sutter zoom video: people are like,

[00:21:15] Becca: oh, I don't want to cook for you. You, like, know how to cook. And I'm like, no, you get, like, a plus ten if I don't have to be involved in any way, shape, or form. Like,

[00:21:23] Jake: Mm hmm.

[00:21:24] Becca: if this just appears in front of me, I already love it.

[00:21:26] Becca: Like, yeah.

[00:21:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: But yeah.

[00:21:28] Becca: I I will try the things that I make. I'll have a bite and then I'll be like, we're done. You know?

[00:21:33] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah,

[00:21:33] Jake: Passes, passes the test enough. You know what you're

[00:21:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: doing. Yeah,

[00:21:36] Becca: Yeah.

[00:21:37] Jake: Right on. So when you first moved here, you moved, what's this, I see the, the list is pretty much in order. So you lived in The Loop, Andersonville, Rogers Park, and now Roscoe Village, North Center area.

[00:21:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah,

[00:21:49] Becca: Yeah, I wasn't, we moved actually just down Hoyne. I was in North Center for, I think, four years before we moved here. Yeah, I lived in the Loop the first year that I was here. That was

[00:21:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: where,

[00:21:58] Becca: like, our student housing [00:22:00] was. And that

[00:22:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it was nice

[00:22:01] Becca: because, you know, I could walk wherever I needed to go.

[00:22:04] Becca: This was before

[00:22:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: smartphones existed

[00:22:07] Becca: and so I had to figure out just how to get places and you

[00:22:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there was

[00:22:12] Becca: no like bus tracking per se, you know, you kind of

[00:22:14] Jake: Yeah. Definitely not.

[00:22:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That was still, that was, you're, you're,

[00:22:18] Jake: your printing out MapQuest at that point still.

[00:22:21] Becca: Yeah.

[00:22:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, yeah. So

[00:22:23] Becca: I I learned how to walk at the light pace downtown. That's how you get

[00:22:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: quickly,

[00:22:27] Becca: Right? Like you're not, you're

[00:22:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: only stopping if

[00:22:29] Becca: you make a turn.

[00:22:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And

[00:22:30] Becca: just had to get my bearings kind of quick. Cause yeah, I don't know how I did that. Like, I think about that now and I'm like, oh yeah.

[00:22:36] Becca: And I'm like, wait, these things like,

[00:22:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: didn't exist.

[00:22:38] Becca: Like I, they existed like a few years after, but I mean, I think iPhones were like 2008, seven, eight.

[00:22:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: 8.

[00:22:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That sounds

[00:22:45] Jake: right. I think so. Yeah.

[00:22:47] Becca: so, like, yeah, I was, yeah, you know, with my, like, cell phone that you, like, add minutes to, you know, like,

[00:22:54] Jake: Mm hmm.

[00:22:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: figuring out life.

[00:22:56] Becca: So that was, so that was probably good that I could walk anywhere I actually needed to [00:23:00] be.

[00:23:00] Jake: Yeah. Was it Columbia? Is that the school that you were in?

[00:23:03] Becca: I went to, so in Chicago they had to, like, rename it it was, The Illinois Institute of Art, Chicago, the chain of schools is called the Art Institute of, and then city name, but they couldn't do that here because there's the actual Art

[00:23:16] Becca: Institute

[00:23:17] Becca: museum with the lions, you know, the lions and everything, so

[00:23:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: people get

[00:23:20] Becca: confused or

[00:23:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: whatever, I

[00:23:21] Becca: I don't know. And I don't think it exists anymore. I think it's like a I think it's like Chick fil

[00:23:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: A.

[00:23:27] Becca: Yeah.

[00:23:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah. Okay.

[00:23:29] Jake: That'll work.

[00:23:30] Becca: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, we were right in the loop, so it was really easy to get there weird for, for that. And it's also insane because I some of

[00:23:36] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of my

[00:23:37] Becca: friends that live, that I went to school with and now have moved. Other states and everything. We'll come back and we'll see, like,

[00:23:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: cause

[00:23:46] Becca: we were right, we were in Presidential Towers, so it was, like, right across from Ogilvy on Madison.

[00:23:50] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and

[00:23:51] Becca: like, the West Loop, like, obviously it existed, but, like, not, Like it does now, like, you know, there's all this stuff [00:24:00] to do now. And so now that would be like such a cooler area to live in. But when we live

[00:24:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there, you know, we were 18.

[00:24:05] Becca: We couldn't even go, you know, you couldn't even get into a lot of places.

[00:24:08] Becca: Right.

[00:24:09] Becca: And so that's actually my, my favorite restaurant. People ask me and it's a iguana cafe over, I guess now it's West loop. And I guess then you would have said Greek town, maybe.

[00:24:17] Jake: Mm.

[00:24:19] Becca: off of like Halstead,

[00:24:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Halstead,

[00:24:21] Becca: Grand Milwaukee, that sixth way where the blue line is.

[00:24:24] Jake: That's your favorite restaurant

[00:24:25] Jake: in the city?

[00:24:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That was the only

[00:24:26] Becca: place we could go,

[00:24:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it's like nostalgic for you?

[00:24:30] Becca: Yeah, yeah. And they finally raised their prices. It was, like, cheap. You get this huge bowl full of carbonara pasta. It's so good. And I think now it's normal price. I mean, it's still not expensive. It's still normal prices. But for a while, it was, like, a great deal. I'm like, how?

[00:24:44] Becca: Raise your prices, people. What are you doing? But now they have they added, like, coffee. And, like, coffee bar. Just really good food like a European cafe, like they're open, I think, shorter hours since COVID, but yeah just go hang out, like, Wi Fi, [00:25:00] people watch, it's

[00:25:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: great.

[00:25:01] Becca: And so, when my friends come back, we still go there, it's

[00:25:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: It's still our favorite spot.

[00:25:05] Jake: Oh, nice. Yeah, the West Loop really is, I mean, this isn't gonna be, this isn't gonna be a you know, groundbreaking news to anybody listening, but yeah, it really is crazy just how, even in the time that I've lived here, eight or nine years I was looking at, I was looking into a place for, for a client who's, who's thinking about selling his place in the, in the West Loop, and I was, I was looking up just his place when he bought it.

[00:25:28] Jake: Not even that long ago, like seven or eight years ago compared

[00:25:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: to now.

[00:25:32] Jake: and like, you know, the, the first picture is just sort of like the, the building from the street, but it's of the same angle and it looks like a it looks like the first picture was taken in like the old Western days.

[00:25:42] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And then the second picture is taken during

[00:25:44] Jake: like, the year 4000. I mean,

[00:25:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it's just insane. Yeah.

[00:25:47] Becca: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah,

[00:25:50] Becca: it's not because that's where I worked at Soho house over there. I don't know, maybe five years ago at

[00:25:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: point.

[00:25:56] Becca: And that was like walking distance from my old apartment in the loop

[00:25:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And [00:26:00] it

[00:26:00] Becca: was like,

[00:26:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:26:01] Becca: mean,

[00:26:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I knew that, like,

[00:26:01] Becca: the last loop was a thing but I don't like go, I don't have a reason to go over there now so when I, you know, started

[00:26:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: working over there, I

[00:26:07] Becca: like oh my gosh like this is it is completely different.

[00:26:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Like,

[00:26:11] Becca: obviously tons of good restaurants so like, I'm great to go out and eat or like you know, lots of

[00:26:16] Becca: like, Girl on the Goat was right there we shared an alley with them. And so that's what I would get out of work early because I was the bread baker for a long time there and,

[00:26:25] Jake: hmm.

[00:26:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: when you go to Girl

[00:26:26] Becca: on the go, you

[00:26:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: just

[00:26:26] Becca: go at four o'clock.

[00:26:27] Becca: So I would just go when I got out of work and

[00:26:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like,

[00:26:30] Becca: sit down right away.

[00:26:31] Jake: Beautiful. Yeah. Just sit at

[00:26:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bar.

[00:26:34] Jake: That's really the only way you can reliably get in a girl with a goat unless you make reservations like six months in advance. It's just like if you go and just

[00:26:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: try to

[00:26:41] Jake: sit at the bar, usually can.

[00:26:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: The last time

[00:26:43] Becca: went to actually sit down my partner forgot that

[00:26:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: he was

[00:26:46] Becca: like, Oh, like, let's go. We're going to go to a nice dinner. And he's like, Oh, there's this Sunday that has like seats open. He books it. He doesn't realize it's Super Bowl Sunday.

[00:26:55] Jake: mm

[00:26:55] Becca: And like, there's no, that's not, there's no TVs in there.

[00:26:59] Becca: And [00:27:00] so I'm all excited. And then he realizes why. And he's like, Oh man, it's like, Oh, we're going.

[00:27:06] Becca: So if you ever see a Sunday, that's free beware. But

[00:27:08] Jake: Yeah. Yeah. And you working at the Soho house, you probably you really got the heaviest dose of it because I feel like that's like the epicenter of just the. The, the cool factor of Westloop, you know, is the Soho

[00:27:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: house.

[00:27:21] Jake: Like all, I feel like all the, all the rest of the coolness of the Westloop is just kind of oozing out of the

[00:27:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Soho house.

[00:27:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Among

[00:27:27] Jake: other places now, Fulton marketplaces,

[00:27:29] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you know, I guess it doesn't have a monopoly

[00:27:31] Jake: on coolness anymore, but it's definitely

[00:27:33] ep 14 sutter zoom video: There's a lot of

[00:27:34] Becca: over there now,

[00:27:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there now, too, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it

[00:27:36] Becca: I mean, it was great for that because there was actually a few different restaurant concepts inside the building. And so, you know, if you want to try something new, you could, you know, you weren't just doing the same stuff all the time. Like if one restaurant has their menu change, you get a few different things.

[00:27:51] Becca: So you kind of always have a

[00:27:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: rotation

[00:27:53] Becca: of of new stuff. And, so, yeah, I really liked that job. It was, [00:28:00] They definitely creative enough for their employees to yeah, because you could you could take like little like mini sessions with

[00:28:06] Becca: Other departments. And so, like, I made a rolling pin because they have a good woodworking shop in the basement.

[00:28:12] Becca: They make a lot of the furniture there. And so anyone who wants to sign up for kind of

[00:28:17] ep 14 sutter zoom video: just some

[00:28:18] Becca: like little. I don't know if they're classes, but like little sessions or whatever. You could, like, learn the best way to, like, make a bed

[00:28:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: housekeeping or like

[00:28:26] Becca: could come in pastry and, like, I taught a little class on how to, like, pipe chocolate on plates, you know, when you get, you know, when you get, like, a birthday cake slice at a

[00:28:36] ep 14 sutter zoom video: restaurant, writing on

[00:28:37] Becca: on it.

[00:28:38] Jake: Okay.

[00:28:39] Becca: yeah, like, I taught a little session on that.

[00:28:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: The bartending classes are

[00:28:42] Becca: always really interesting.

[00:28:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Think of how they, how you design a

[00:28:45] Becca: cocktail recipe is different from how you would design like a cooking recipe. Like, if you're just mixing stuff in a shaker, you want to always put the cheapest ingredients in first.

[00:28:54] Becca: So if you make a mistake, it's

[00:28:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: likely to cost

[00:28:56] Becca: more money.

[00:28:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Okay. Yeah.[00:29:00]

[00:29:00] Jake: That

[00:29:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: makes sense.

[00:29:01] Becca: Yeah. So it was, yeah, so it was fun to be in the area and it was also like, I

[00:29:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: they

[00:29:06] Becca: did good for employee engagement as well. Like, cause I, I'll go. I'm like, learn whatever. I thought it was really fun. But

[00:29:12] Jake: Mm hmm.

[00:29:14] Becca: yeah,

[00:29:14] ep 14 sutter zoom video: but so then restaurants is

[00:29:16] Becca: definitely fun too.

[00:29:16] Becca: Cause it's not just one menu that's changing. There's like three or four.

[00:29:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: four. Yeah. Awesome.

[00:29:22] Jake: So you spent a little bit, just a short amount of time in the loop and then moved up to the kind of the far north side where you would remain

[00:29:29] Becca: Yeah.

[00:29:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah, till

[00:29:31] Jake: now, basically.

[00:29:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So what

[00:29:33] Jake: you up that way and how would you kind of compare to some of the different areas that you've, that you've lived over the last whatever,

[00:29:39] ep 14 sutter zoom video: 1819 years?

[00:29:40] Becca: Yeah. Andersonville was, was a friend for a little bit and then I, yeah.

[00:29:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: ended up

[00:29:46] Becca: moving in alone. I think, I don't know. I

[00:29:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: was was trying to

[00:29:51] Becca: I was trying to be an adult, I guess. And I was like, I want to like live by myself. And so I had an apartment in Andersonville by myself for two years that I really liked.

[00:29:59] Becca: And [00:30:00] then Rogers Park for two years. And then I was like,

[00:30:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: okay,

[00:30:03] Becca: but like, this is kind of boring. I'm 24 or something, you know, like I want to have roommates and like talk to people, right? Instead of, hey yeah. Move back to Andersonville with like, I don't know, the rotating cast of characters apartments that just end up happening, you know, where there's like multiple bedrooms and like one person moves out, you get a new person on Craigslist, right?

[00:30:24] Jake: You had a couple of those types of

[00:30:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: places

[00:30:26] Becca: I did and I got

[00:30:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: got so

[00:30:28] Becca: lucky because I am still like best friends with, I think, like, All but one of the people from any of those places, um,

[00:30:35] Becca: There was one weirdo and then everyone else was great. So,

[00:30:38] ep 14 sutter zoom video: out

[00:30:38] Becca: of like 10 people, like

[00:30:40] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Really good percentage for craigslist.

[00:30:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah.

[00:30:42] Becca: And so,

[00:30:44] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah

[00:30:44] Becca: Andersonville for a few more years and then

[00:30:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, and then

[00:30:49] Becca: North Center.

[00:30:50] Becca: Which was all really

[00:30:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like,

[00:30:53] Becca: which was all really great because I was working at small places at the time. And so, like, you know, I worked

[00:30:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: little

[00:30:58] Becca: cafes in [00:31:00] Rogers Park and like the Southport Corridor as pastry chef of a restaurant. And so it, you know, it was easy to get down Clark Street on a bike and get to work, you know,

[00:31:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and so

[00:31:11] Becca: it felt very nice to just kind of have To just be in those neighborhoods and kind of have that like small feel still without without having to like, you know, have an hour commute or like, take a train and oh, it's delayed and all this, you know, just, I felt nice to just be able to, to feel small and cozy, I guess,

[00:31:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: What do

[00:31:33] Jake: [00:32:00] [00:33:00] [00:34:00] What do you think your secret was to continuously finding quality roommates, like in, in two different places too. So like when somebody moved out, what was the process? Was it the landlords putting the listing up or is it you guys who's

[00:34:17] Becca: it was us.

[00:34:18] Jake: coming in?

[00:34:19] Becca: It

[00:34:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: was us. Yeah.

[00:34:20] Becca: So when I first got into a roommate situation,

[00:34:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Andersonville,

[00:34:24] Becca: it was really funny because everyone at work was like,

[00:34:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I already lived alone.

[00:34:27] Becca: And so I

[00:34:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like, Oh,

[00:34:28] Becca: I don't know I don't think I'm going to resign my lease.

[00:34:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: It's

[00:34:31] Becca: kind

[00:34:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: talking to my coworkers

[00:34:33] Becca: And they're like, What are you gonna do?

[00:34:34] Becca: And I was like, Oh, like I found some listings on

[00:34:37] Becca: Craigslist and they're like,

[00:34:37] Becca: you're gonna hate it. Don't do that. It's a terrible idea. And I was like, I'm gonna do it.

[00:34:42] Becca: And so this was like a tiny, tiny bedroom pretty much across the street from Hopleaf before they expanded.

[00:34:48] Jake: Mhm.

[00:34:49] Becca: so they're the

[00:34:50] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Southern space, I be

[00:34:52] Becca: I think used to

[00:34:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like

[00:34:53] Becca: wine shop.

[00:34:53] Becca: I think they still owned it, but it was Hopleaf was just one building. And yeah, So [00:35:00] I like applied and whatever and then like wanted to like meet up and

[00:35:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: was

[00:35:05] Becca: like, okay, this bedroom is like tiny, like, so if I don't like these people, like I'm in like a nine foot square box, like I,

[00:35:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: this has to,

[00:35:12] Becca: you know,

[00:35:13] Becca: And so I went and saw the place and it was like, cool

[00:35:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: because

[00:35:16] Becca: was a whole back porch.

[00:35:17] Becca: I could put all my like baking stuff on. So

[00:35:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:35:20] Becca: wasn't like totally taking over the kitchen. Okay. And then I was like, okay, but like, let's go out for a drink and make sure that like, we can all hang out. Right.

[00:35:29] Becca: And so we did that. And then I think they saw a few other people and we're like, no, like, you're the only one who like, actually like wanted to hang out.

[00:35:35] Becca: And I was like, okay, cool. Great. And so I ended up getting that space.

[00:35:41] Becca: And then when we found new people, actually we ended up like putting up an ad on Craigslist and then the person ended up moving in, never saw the room she was supposed to move into because we were all just like talking and chatting and like got along too well.

[00:35:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So then

[00:35:57] Becca: she left and and then emailed us later and was like [00:36:00] so I never saw the room Can you send me some photos. And I was like, I guess that's a good sign

[00:36:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:07] Becca: Yeah, and then in North Center. How did we find In North Center, I think I had part in finding, like, one of the roommates. Like, we all just met and hung out a little bit. And then when we had to find another one, I wasn't there. Like, I had to I was working, like, a night

[00:36:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: or

[00:36:31] Becca: I

[00:36:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: working weird hours.

[00:36:32] Becca: And so I was like, look, I've lived with you guys long enough.

[00:36:35] Becca: Like, I trust whoever you pick. And they're like,

[00:36:38] Becca: What was Like,

[00:36:39] Becca: it's gonna be fine, whatever. And so they picked a person and I didn't meet him until like a week later after he moved in because I had such a strange schedule.

[00:36:49] Becca: That I was like, Oh, new person. Okay, whatever.

[00:36:51] Becca: There were four of us in the house so it was, and I was big we had like a floor and a half so it was, I think key is having enough space that you're not all like.[00:37:00]

[00:37:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, like we could each be in a room

[00:37:03] Becca: that wasn't our bedroom and not be in

[00:37:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: same

[00:37:05] Becca: room, so we could each have like space, you know,

[00:37:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So I

[00:37:09] Becca: think that was cute.

[00:37:11] Jake: Yeah. Well, yeah, that's, and that's, that was good to, to feel each other's feel each other's personalities out too. Cause I mean, I feel like a lot of people might, might've been like, oh, this, she wants to hang out and stuff. No, we just, we don't want that. You know, we just want somebody to come in, you know, not, not say anything, just kind of keep to themselves.

[00:37:28] Jake: Like, I can definitely see that, you know, people actually preferring that. So

[00:37:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, the fact

[00:37:32] Jake: that you actually came, plus, I mean, who doesn't want to have a baker in the, in the place? You know,

[00:37:36] ep 14 sutter zoom video: sounds I

[00:37:36] Becca: think I endeared myself. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[00:37:39] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah.

[00:37:41] Jake: is it

[00:37:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Is it going to smell good all the time?

[00:37:42] Jake: Is it going to be random treats laying around?

[00:37:44] Jake: Like, yeah, sounds great.

[00:37:46] Becca: In Andersonville that was

[00:37:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: actually the

[00:37:48] Becca: top layer. Some of my friends

[00:37:50] ep 14 sutter zoom video: the first

[00:37:50] Becca: wedding cake I ever made was one of the roommates there which she rudely moved out to like, now they're married and have a kid.

[00:37:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That's why she moved

[00:37:57] Becca: And she moved like two blocks away. It was kind of funny, but Yeah, [00:38:00] I'd made some, it was like a Nutella mousse cake, it's really good and I had like left, I think I made it for her birthday, but then I wasn't there for the party because I worked weird hours, and so I just like left it in the freezer and told her how to like unmold it or whatever, and I came home at like midnight or something.

[00:38:18] Becca: And we're like in our early 20s. Everyone's just hammered house party and everyone's like did you make this cake

[00:38:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And

[00:38:25] Becca: was like super excited and so, she would always request that and that was actually a top layer, a version of that was a top layer for wedding cake so that her and her husband could have

[00:38:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that

[00:38:32] Becca: as their like take home or whatever.

[00:38:35] Jake: Love it. You mentioned very briefly earlier, but something that I, that I definitely want to explore with you quite a bit. And that is, I think you are an expert on

[00:38:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bicycling

[00:38:47] Jake: In Chicago.

[00:38:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Right. Would

[00:38:48] Jake: that be fair to

[00:38:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: say?

[00:38:50] Becca: I'm an expert, but yeah, I do it. We have,

[00:38:53] Jake: You're as

[00:38:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: much of you're as

[00:38:53] Jake: much of an expert as anyone I know. Yeah, let's show is that

[00:38:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Shadow

[00:38:56] Jake: shadow facts, right?

[00:38:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That's shadow

[00:38:58] Becca: facts, yeah. Fatty Wumpkin [00:39:00] is outside right now. I should put him in the basement, but he's already out there,

[00:39:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah,

[00:39:05] Jake: Yeah. I mean, if you're at a point where you're naming your bicycles, I think you're I think that you're you're pretty elite. And when it

[00:39:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: comes to

[00:39:10] Becca: the, that's the qualification to get into our bike gang, is your bike has to have a name. So, yeah.

[00:39:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you

[00:39:16] Jake: have a bike gang. And

[00:39:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you're trying to

[00:39:18] Jake: play down your, that

[00:39:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you're not an expert. Come on.

[00:39:21] Jake: So, I mean, I know a lot of people will probably, you know, look at Chicago as a place that yeah, I don't have to have a car, you know, I can do public transit and whatnot, but and obviously, you know, those things are, those things are true.

[00:39:32] Jake: But it's also a very bikeable city,

[00:39:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: or is it,

[00:39:35] Jake: Like, what's your, what's, what is this your experience of being somebody who bicycles, bikes, whatever, whatever the verb is?

[00:39:41] Jake: A lot.

[00:39:42] Becca: yeah, I think that there's actually a lot of new lanes going and they just put some new ones on Belmont that over here that are protected.

[00:39:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Which

[00:39:48] Becca: is always good

[00:39:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: see

[00:39:49] Becca: I think we're getting a lot more infrastructure. I know that I really would have liked the ones that are on Clark now and I lived up in Rogers Park.

[00:39:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:39:57] Becca: would like bike down to Andersonville and that would

[00:39:59] Becca: or did I bike [00:40:00] one? I don't know. It's always kind of sketchy going on Clark there because it's two lanes and it's there was like a shared lane that people are always like trying to get to Lakeshore Drive there like where Hollywood meets little sketch.

[00:40:09] Becca: But I think it's, I think that's what's super helpful actually like smartphones will, I just always have the overlay on to, like, show you where like popular lanes are. And so I think that's like a super useful feature that like. If you don't know where to start, start there at least like,

[00:40:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So

[00:40:26] Jake: what do you mean, like, in Google Maps, there's an overlay

[00:40:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of bicycle friendly

[00:40:30] Jake: lanes and streets?

[00:40:31] Becca: yeah, yeah.

[00:40:32] Becca: And it'll, I think there's like solid or dash lines

[00:40:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: on

[00:40:35] Becca: if it's a like protected lane or a shared lane. And so that'll, you know, you can, when I go to new cities, basically you can just leave that on and it'll show you kind of where, okay, like this area is like really bike friendly or whatever.

[00:40:49] Becca: Yeah, I mean, I think that. People are just starting out. I would actually suggest just going with someone who kind of knows the ins and outs and you can

[00:40:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: follow

[00:40:56] Becca: someone and like kind of get used to the idea of like cars being next to you or like

[00:40:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: [00:41:00] to look

[00:41:00] Becca: But they're kind of doing all the signaling and you know, you're just mimicking someone.

[00:41:04] Jake: Mm

[00:41:05] Becca: yeah, my partner doesn't cycle a ton, but we have divvy memberships, which is actually super useful because there'll be times where, you know, we're Maybe we'll get a cab home, but then we don't have to leave our bikes anywhere, or we're meeting people, or like, whatever it is, and so, we'll do the Divvy memberships, which, honestly, that's, I, I got that when I worked in the West Loop, because there was not parking by Soho House in the West Loop, and so I would park by a Divvy station a little further away, and there's

[00:41:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like

[00:41:35] Becca: a bike lane down Randolph, and so I would just automatically go to a Divvy station, Check out a bike and then, you know, maybe I'm a mile away, but it's going to take like three minutes on a bike.

[00:41:47] Becca: I'm not

[00:41:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: walking

[00:41:47] Becca: forever, right? And there's a station right in front of Soho. So that's actually why I got a Divvy membership was to beat,

[00:41:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: beat the parking

[00:41:56] Becca: out there.

[00:41:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: but,

[00:41:57] Becca: yeah,

[00:41:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I guess,

[00:41:57] Jake: just for anyone who doesn't know, Divi is [00:42:00] basically like, it's just a company that has these rentable bikes on racks that are

[00:42:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: all over the city

[00:42:04] Jake: and just in various locations where you just, yeah, if you have a membership or you can, I guess, just go in and rent by the minute, by the hour, however you, I personally have never really done a Divi, but yeah,

[00:42:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: would you say that? Is that about right? Yeah, they're

[00:42:17] Becca: Share. It's a Bike Share company.

[00:42:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, there's a lot of stations around here,

[00:42:22] Becca: which is really nice.

[00:42:23] Becca: I think it's, I don't even know if it's mileage or minutes. I know that there used to be a max of limits and they just raised it a few years ago to 45 from 30 minutes. But yeah, it's a, it's a really good option from like, oh, I got off the train and now, you

[00:42:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: know, I need to get

[00:42:37] Becca: that last mile or something.

[00:42:39] Becca: Super convenient. Yeah,

[00:42:41] ep 14 sutter zoom video: think there's a lot of bikes themselves.

[00:42:44] Jake: Sorry, what?

[00:42:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I think a lot of good infrastructure. Now,

[00:42:46] Becca: I think, I

[00:42:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: think that

[00:42:47] Becca: did the. I think people get, you know, cyclists get annoyed at divvy riders, but like, that's the reason that we're getting all this infrastructure, right? Like, the more people who are on bikes, the more infrastructure you're gonna [00:43:00] And so, you know, I

[00:43:02] ep 14 sutter zoom video: some

[00:43:02] Becca: people try to crap on divvy riders, and I'm like, that's how we get nice things though, more people using them. So,

[00:43:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: scooters

[00:43:08] Becca: though, I don't like the scooters, but bikes are okay.

[00:43:11] Jake: No.

[00:43:12] ep 14 sutter zoom video: What is

[00:43:13] Jake: it? What's the thing within the bicyclist community that, why, why are they getting elitist over Divis?

[00:43:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I think

[00:43:20] Becca: a lot of, well, there's no good way to kind of like,

[00:43:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Make

[00:43:24] Becca: sure that everyone on a bike knows how to use like the correct hand signals or like wears a

[00:43:29] ep 14 sutter zoom video: helmet or, you know,

[00:43:31] Becca: I think a lot of a lot of drivers will just see a cyclist and be like, Oh, like, you know, they never follow the rules and whatever.

[00:43:38] Becca: And I think having some divvy riders will just kind of get on and not know what they're doing. And,

[00:43:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: um,

[00:43:47] Becca: but like, use your hand signals, you know, don't wear headphones, I can't, I don't, I don't understand people who wear headphones when they cycle, like, don't

[00:43:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: want to hear the cars

[00:43:56] Becca: around you? But

[00:43:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah, one would think,

[00:43:58] Becca: yeah, that was [00:44:00] actually, that was actually kind of creepy when like all the electric cars

[00:44:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: out

[00:44:03] Becca: or the

[00:44:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: were super quiet.

[00:44:06] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And as a cyclist,

[00:44:07] Becca: I got scared like a few times

[00:44:09] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I'm used

[00:44:09] Becca: to trying, like, you know, you can hear a car coming behind you. Okay, I can tell that you're here, I can, I mean,

[00:44:13] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I look,

[00:44:13] Becca: I don't just swerve over, but like, there's times where I would look and I had no idea there was a car there because they didn't, they didn't make noise for like the first year or two, they have like the

[00:44:21] Becca: e cars or whatever, you know, the it was, yeah, now they have like a,

[00:44:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: A

[00:44:26] Becca: slight noise, which is good, you can but, yeah, yeah,

[00:44:29] Jake: Yeah,

[00:44:30] Jake: yeah, no, I I had heard that that was quite a bit of a problem there for a little bit.

[00:44:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that

[00:44:34] Jake: which I have even had that as a pedestrian, like, Tesla, you know, rolling up on, you know, behind me. And it's just like, oh, man, where'd you come from? For sure. Yeah, I've never done a divvy because the bikes themselves just look so like.

[00:44:47] Jake: Just blocky and just not like a, not like a good ride at all.

[00:44:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And I've also never had

[00:44:53] Jake: like a super compelling reason to do it, but

[00:44:55] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I don't know. Yeah, I

[00:44:56] Jake: just if I, even if I did, I would look at those bikes and be like, nah, I'm [00:45:00] good.

[00:45:00] Becca: I think it's a yeah, it's a good option for like that last mile, you know, because also once you get a

[00:45:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: membership, it's

[00:45:05] Becca: like, it's like 120 now, I don't know, for the year, but like, it's the kind of thing where like, I would never pay 3 for that ride.

[00:45:13] Jake: Mm hmm.

[00:45:14] Becca: But once you pay the membership, then it's free, right?

[00:45:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So Once it's free, I have done the

[00:45:21] Becca: great

[00:45:22] Jake: Right?

[00:45:22] Jake: It's baked into the, it's baked in now. You have to use it.

[00:45:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Right. Yeah.

[00:45:27] Jake: I have done the e scooters a couple times, just not even to be practical because I can drive to wherever I'm going or whatever, like way better and easier, but I don't know. I just, I saw a couple of them and I was just like, I just want to, I just want to try this and just, you know, go on a little cruise basically, like find some excuse, go.

[00:45:44] Jake: I think my wife, Emma needed a hammer at one

[00:45:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: point. So I was like, you know what, this is

[00:45:48] Jake: a this is a great excuse. I'm just going to see what these scooters are like and just

[00:45:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Scoot

[00:45:51] Jake: my way on down to the Home Depot real quick. And

[00:45:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: they're, they're cool.

[00:45:56] Jake: You haven't.

[00:45:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: No.

[00:45:57] Becca: Yeah. How was it?

[00:45:59] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I mean, they're fun,

[00:45:59] Jake: [00:46:00] but they're definitely not.

[00:46:01] Jake: Like a cost effective option. Like, I think it's, I think it's more expensive than if I had just taken an actual Uber to go there.

[00:46:09] Becca: Oh, really?

[00:46:10] Jake: Yeah. Like I ended up, you know, I, the home Depot, whatever it was like a mile and a half away. I think I ended up paying like 13 or something

[00:46:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that

[00:46:18] Jake: to, to scoot.

[00:46:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah, like

[00:46:20] Jake: it's not.

[00:46:21] Jake: It's not that cheap. I mean, it's, yeah, like, like you were saying, it's like a decent last mile, last few block kind of option or something like that. If you're really, if you just like get off the train and you happen to see one of the e scooters, just like, you know, in some bush somewhere

[00:46:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: as they do, you

[00:46:37] Jake: know, and you're like, you know what?

[00:46:39] Jake: Yeah, I

[00:46:39] ep 14 sutter zoom video: will. I will do this e

[00:46:41] Jake: real quick, but.

[00:46:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah, it's just

[00:46:44] Jake: to do that's a little bit of fun, I think, but it's not like, I wouldn't have it in my, like, everyday repertoire of, you know, options, personally.

[00:46:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I

[00:46:53] Becca: that was an Instagram account, or maybe it still is, of just like, of the bikes or the scooters just in like, the [00:47:00] weirdest places, or like,

[00:47:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: oh yeah, I walk

[00:47:03] Becca: in this tree, or whatever, like, which isn't technically, like, not allowed, but like,

[00:47:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah,

[00:47:08] Jake: it's, it's chaos out there. Well, you know what? We were an hour into this. Let's start talking about the neighborhood that you live in now. The

[00:47:17] Becca: yeah.

[00:47:18] Jake: what's

[00:47:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: We

[00:47:18] Jake: call it?

[00:47:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: a Roscoe village. Yeah. So

[00:47:21] Jake: So what do you. What do you like about Roscoe? What, what brought you there? I mean, Roscoe, you've basically been in that neighborhood for like Roscoe village is north center still, but it's just kind

[00:47:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of like a

[00:47:31] Jake: subset of it.

[00:47:32] Jake: But yeah, what do you, what are you liking about that?

[00:47:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Well,

[00:47:35] Becca: we kind of lucked into our apartment. Our sister in law used to live here and told us about it because her friends lived here after she did.

[00:47:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and she knew

[00:47:43] Becca: they were moving and

[00:47:44] ep 14 sutter zoom video: she was like, you

[00:47:44] Becca: guys like this apartment. And we're like, okay. So we love it because we're, we're right on Roscoe actually.

[00:47:50] Becca: And so, but somehow we have a. Bedroom. We have, we have like a one plus bedroom is a strong word for the room that

[00:47:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: in right

[00:47:58] Becca: now. But the, [00:48:00] yeah, like we have a yard out back. So we have like a little patio set.

[00:48:03] Becca: And we can have dogs over. And so I

[00:48:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like

[00:48:06] Becca: we got real lucky there.

[00:48:08] Becca: But also, yeah, we can walk to

[00:48:12] ep 14 sutter zoom video: anywhere we want to

[00:48:12] Becca: go.

[00:48:13] Becca: We're pretty close to

[00:48:14] ep 14 sutter zoom video: grocery

[00:48:14] Becca: stores. And also like all the restaurants right here too.

[00:48:17] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there's restaurants,

[00:48:18] Becca: there's little shops you know, there's excuse me

[00:48:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah,

[00:48:20] Becca: right off two bike lanes, like, there's a lane in front of the house, there's the Damen Lane

[00:48:23] Becca: we don't do buses too much, but also we're pretty close to the Brown Line for how often we take it, it's like, maybe a 10 minute walk to get on at Palina

[00:48:31] Becca: if we need to get downtown or something because my partner does go into

[00:48:35] Becca: the office, like, They're hybrid or whatever.

[00:48:37] Becca: So if he needs to go in, it's still easy to get there. But we're close to a bunch of other good neighborhoods too. Like a lot of friends are still in Andersonville. And yeah, it's, it's easy to get anywhere from

[00:48:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: here. I feel

[00:48:48] Becca: like We actually always have parking right out front, which. I don't know.

[00:48:53] Becca: I'll take I think all of our neighbors have like garages and so that leaves the street spots for us. But

[00:48:57] Jake: Yeah.

[00:48:58] Becca: yeah and that's, you know, [00:49:00] we're on a little strip here where there's just lots of small independent businesses. And so, you know, when we go in, like, we've been here long enough that we know, you know, the bartenders know us, and, you know, oh, like, my partner actually, finally they remember his order, his sushi order, exactly, at the place down the street, so

[00:49:17] ep 14 sutter zoom video: walk in and they're

[00:49:18] Becca: like, the same thing, and they'll just put in the order, you know, I think

[00:49:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that's the place. Let's do some, let's do some

[00:49:22] Jake: do some shout outs. So what are

[00:49:24] Jake: the, some of these these local businesses,

[00:49:25] Becca: Hot Woks, Hot woks knows his order

[00:49:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: they,

[00:49:28] Becca: yeah. Yeah, that's like a great. That's a great lunch spot. That's one

[00:49:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: our, we try

[00:49:33] Becca: to do like a day date Mondays. That's when we're both typically free. So we'll go to we'll go to lunch together. And we usually either end up at roost for chicken or hot walks for I get like rice or noodles, but you get sushi.

[00:49:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Roost is so good.

[00:49:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, fire. Love that. I,

[00:49:50] Becca: yeah. I they weren't that far from my north center place. They were down Irving, but because they were like on Irving, it was like kind of awkward and we go past it a lot, you know, but [00:50:00] we wouldn't like stop there because if there wasn't parking right there, whatever. Now we just walk over because they switched locations like two years ago, maybe.

[00:50:06] Becca: So that's cool.

[00:50:07] Becca: Yeah, they also have, you know, there's lots of neighborhood events you know, Retro On Roscoe is right here, so we basically have, like, a street fair, like, block party, like, literally outside you know, they, they do I don't know if they're calling it now, they've changed the name a few times, but where they'll close down a block during the right at Damen, and just have, like, little streetery area that they were doing during the pandemic, right.

[00:50:28] Becca: Where there's like extra outdoor seating and maybe they'll have like a yoga class or something. A little bike corral for kids. You know, yeah, I feel like there's always events kind of going on in the neighborhood and all the businesses are, you know, yeah,

[00:50:39] Becca: like super everyone participates, you know, it's, I feel like all the businesses like know each other and

[00:50:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah, it just

[00:50:45] Becca: feels cozy.

[00:50:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah. Nice.

[00:50:49] Jake: Has there been anything about Roscoe Village since you've lived there that has surprised you? Or maybe like a misconception about it that, that you've found since you've lived there? Maybe before you lived there?[00:51:00]

[00:51:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: We were

[00:51:00] Becca: super surprised that

[00:51:02] ep 14 sutter zoom video: that now

[00:51:02] Becca: it's called Bake House, but

[00:51:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: the

[00:51:04] Becca: space we've been there, I think, probably a little bit before Roots. I think about two years. That's a coffee shop and they're I want to say Venezuelan, but that might not be right but they have really good like stuffed it was like a

[00:51:16] Becca: Cheese balls or cheese balls are so good.

[00:51:18] Becca: I forget the name of them. And that had been like a few different like kind of pastry

[00:51:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: shops

[00:51:24] Becca: When we first moved in. It was like an ice cream place it was

[00:51:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: cupcake

[00:51:27] Becca: place and it just been like rotating and rotating. There's a Starbucks kind of nearby and like, I'll go to Starbucks, whatever. But I'm like, how is there not like a coffee shop in this

[00:51:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: neighborhood? What is going

[00:51:38] Becca: on? And so finally Bakehouse is there and they, they stuck, I think. So, yeah, they've been there for like two years. And we actually saw them at they had a booth at Kris Kindle Market too on at Wrigleyville. So was like, okay, I think they're staying. So, we're happy about that.

[00:51:51] Becca: And we were like, so surprised. Cause I, when I first moved here, I went to get coffee with a friend. And there was a Starbucks on Belmont. There's the one over by [00:52:00] Lane Tech. And then there's

[00:52:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: one here

[00:52:01] Becca: on Roscoe. And those are the three closest coffee shops. And I'm like,

[00:52:04] ep 14 sutter zoom video: how, how

[00:52:06] Jake: Mm hmm. It does seem like it does seem like a place that would just be just like crawling with coffee shops.

[00:52:12] Becca: yeah, yeah. Pilates and coffee is right here and they're really good. Get their lumberjack latte. A

[00:52:16] ep 14 sutter zoom video: bit

[00:52:16] Becca: of

[00:52:17] ep 14 sutter zoom video: syrup.

[00:52:17] Becca: in there. But they close at, they close at noon. I think like one on the weekends. So if you're like me and you sleep till ten, then you know.

[00:52:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: There's a

[00:52:25] Becca: short window to get over there.

[00:52:26] Becca: But

[00:52:27] Becca: but yeah, I'm happy that's there. That was that was shocking. I can't really I think basically, it's kind of what we expected. We're pretty close to Lane Tech and Audubon. Those are really good schools. So it's lots of families.

[00:52:36] Jake: Hmm. Yeah. And just all the shopping that's right around there, like even, you know, obviously Roscoe Village itself

[00:52:43] ep 14 sutter zoom video: has

[00:52:44] Jake: all kind of like a little more mom and pop type of local businesses and things. But, you know, you go right around the corner and it's like, you kind of feel like you're in the suburbs all of a sudden, like all the kind of like big box stores, but like not in a bad way.

[00:52:54] Jake: Like, you know, you got like your Costco and. Big groceries, Mariano's, like Jewel's right [00:53:00] there and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, you keep going down, there's

[00:53:02] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Best

[00:53:02] Jake: Buy,

[00:53:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: There's

[00:53:04] Jake: all the, all the things, you know, like you really,

[00:53:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: don't really feel like you're in Chicago anymore. Almost

[00:53:10] Becca: Yeah, we're not too far from anything. I feel like 10 minutes, any direction you can get whatever you want. But I do, like, forget sometimes where I've parked my car because,

[00:53:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like, unless I'm going

[00:53:20] Becca: a market, like, I don't need to use it. So I'm like, I'll go outside and I'll just be, like, standing.

[00:53:24] Becca: I'll be, like, like, hitting the beeper. I'm like, I guess I'm around the corner. I don't know.

[00:53:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah,

[00:53:29] Becca: don't, yeah, we

[00:53:29] ep 14 sutter zoom video: really need to go very

[00:53:31] Becca: far, which is great.

[00:53:32] Jake: Yeah. So if someone were to

[00:53:34] Jake: visit.

[00:53:35] Jake: Roscoe Village for just one day,

[00:53:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: What would you say is

[00:53:39] Jake: what was, what's the most ideal way to spend that day?

[00:53:42] Becca: Ooh. Okay.

[00:53:44] Jake: Probably lots of food is going to be involved.

[00:53:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah,

[00:53:47] Becca: thinking of, like, the right order.

[00:53:48] Jake: Huh.

[00:53:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Okay,

[00:53:49] Becca: because Bakehouse is open, like, kind of late. So

[00:53:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: we'll probably

[00:53:53] Becca: there, but we wouldn't go there first.

[00:53:54] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Wouldn't go there first.

[00:53:58] Becca: Okay, [00:54:00] probably okay so lucy's

[00:54:02] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Or kitchen.

[00:54:03] Becca: Lucy's or Kitchen for breakfast. Lucy's is a it's like a vegetarian cafe that I didn't realize was, like, vegetarian the first time that we went.

[00:54:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Really,

[00:54:11] Becca: really tasty, like, breakfast options. And really good pizza. We had, like, little flatbread pizzas that were super good. And I love their potatoes. Get their potatoes. That is super tasty.

[00:54:20] Becca: Kitchen is fun just because it's like unique decor

[00:54:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and

[00:54:24] Becca: like really hefty portions. We always get like a side of candied bacon, which is maybe why we're always too full after we go there. But, um, one of those for breakfast because kitchen also has a really nice like back patio that gets covered.

[00:54:36] Becca: So if it's like kind of that shoulder season, you can still go there and it'll be like tolerable.

[00:54:41] Becca: One of those. probably go, we'd probably go like a park maybe there's Hamlin Park right over here that was really nice during the pandemic, it was like a nice like outdoor meetup spot, people would have like hammocks out, there's like dogs running around hang out there, we did we have like some lawn games, so we have like, a bocce ball set, [00:55:00] and can jam, it's like a frisbee game, you can do some outside stuff.

[00:55:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Probably

[00:55:04] Becca: like a little lunch snack or something would be bakehouse them. And then I think we'd have to go to like kind of a more divey place at the end of the day for dinner and that would be Foremoon because they don't, they have no business having like food as good as they do.

[00:55:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Monday we would

[00:55:19] Becca: get the chicken and dumplings special but you have to call first because they run out.

[00:55:22] Becca: Uh,

[00:55:23] Jake: Now we're getting to it. Now we're

[00:55:24] ep 14 sutter zoom video: getting into those

[00:55:25] Jake: little, those little gritty details that only only a true resident would

[00:55:28] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That's, I love that.

[00:55:30] Becca: how, that's how I get suckered into watching Monday Night Football is because there's chicken and dumplings at Foremoon

[00:55:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Okay.

[00:55:38] Becca: That is

[00:55:38] ep 14 sutter zoom video: That

[00:55:39] Becca: is it. But, like, before, before 8 o'clock, like, 7. 30

[00:55:42] ep 14 sutter zoom video: kind

[00:55:43] Becca: of, you gotta get there before then.

[00:55:44] Becca: There's only their, like, little hidden things.

[00:55:46] Becca: I

[00:55:46] ep 14 sutter zoom video: guess

[00:55:46] Becca: maybe darts at, like, Reveler on the way home. on the way.

[00:55:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah,

[00:55:52] Jake: hmm. I'm surprised that,

[00:55:53] Jake: I mean, maybe there's just not not any in specifically Roscoe village, which was the question. So fair enough, but I'm surprised. [00:56:00] Hasn't been too many mentions of breweries yet.

[00:56:03] Becca: Hey, that is probably that was what was great about our North center place is we were like right down the street, literally a few blocks away from dovetail and beguile. And that actually is probably what we miss the most about living in Roscoe is Metrapolitan was close but now they're not there anymore.

[00:56:23] Becca: They don't exist.

[00:56:24] Becca: And so I guess yeah, breweries would be the thing because yeah, Dovetail, I like German beer a lot more than my partner and so he would always want to go to Big Isle because that's like IPAs all day

[00:56:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and I would want a Vienna lager

[00:56:37] Becca: from Dovetail and so we'd have to, one of them was open an hour later than the other.

[00:56:41] Becca: I forget which way it was. I think Dovetail is open an hour later. And so we would, we would do that a lot, like, go get one at Dovetail and then go the block to

[00:56:50] Becca: the other one. And yeah, that's the thing we don't have. Although I don't know what's gonna go into where Metrapolitan was. I'm hoping it's a, it's

[00:56:57] ep 14 sutter zoom video: brewery.

[00:56:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: There's

[00:56:58] Becca: a distillery over there now and they're really good, [00:57:00] actually. They have

[00:57:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: really good cocktails

[00:57:01] Becca: at Judson and Moore. Which is a little bit off the beaten path over there, but they're doing really good stuff

[00:57:06] Jake: Nice.

[00:57:07] Becca: yeah,

[00:57:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I ended up going

[00:57:09] Jake: if

[00:57:09] ep 14 sutter zoom video: there,

[00:57:09] Jake: Ooh,

[00:57:10] Becca: I ended up going there for a

[00:57:12] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Artisan grain collaborative event the

[00:57:14] Becca: farm I get my flowers from Janey's Mill, downstate Illinois they, well, downstate might be a strong word South of here.

[00:57:21] Becca: They Judson and Moore uses their, their grains for their like whiskeys and things. And so, they, I want to, I actually, that's the thing I want to do is I want to try to make a sourdough with like the same grain bill as their whiskey in bread I think that'd be fun.

[00:57:36] Becca: But that was the first time I went and it was so cool. It's so close to us that we could walk there. And I think in my brain, like, anything across Western is, like, too far, which is not true, but it's, like, across Western and across Belmont, which is, like,

[00:57:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: just

[00:57:48] ep 14 sutter zoom video: too much,

[00:57:49] Becca: apparently.

[00:57:50] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, might as

[00:57:51] Jake: might as well be like, Asia somewhere.

[00:57:54] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it's,

[00:57:54] Becca: it's, like, an eight minute walk.

[00:57:56] Becca: But, yeah, we went there for like, a pop up event. And [00:58:00] so, they had like a bunch of specialty cocktails there and they were super tasty and it's like cool little like barrel rooms. You can go like they have like, Like cozy chairs in there, and there's just like all the stacks of barrels in there

[00:58:11] ep 14 sutter zoom video: and

[00:58:11] Becca: just really good cocktails that we need to go back.

[00:58:14] Jake: So if you maybe if you were to construct the perfect day of just breweries,

[00:58:19] Becca: So now, now,

[00:58:21] ep 14 sutter zoom video: now,

[00:58:22] Becca: there's

[00:58:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: the river path

[00:58:23] Becca: that is I don't know how far north it goes, what it connects to yet.

[00:58:27] Becca: To Montrose well we're down Metrapolitan, and we're down Empirical. And Twisted Hippo is in the West Loop now. Normally, I try to connect all those, but probably just down Ravenswood, I guess.

[00:58:36] Becca: Like, Malt Row. Would, give you Beguiled Dovetail and, and Cultivate. I guess Koval would be there, too, if you want to stop for, for some I like their gin.

[00:58:45] Jake: Row. That's what it's called. Malt row.

[00:58:47] Becca: yeah,

[00:58:48] Jake: That's cool.

[00:58:49] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I've never heard that before.

[00:58:50] Becca: I

[00:58:50] Jake: So, okay. So what's what constitutes malt row?

[00:58:56] Becca: That is basically, like, the Industrial Corridor along

[00:58:59] Becca: Ravenswood

[00:58:59] Becca: where the [00:59:00] Metratracks are.

[00:59:00] Jake: Mm

[00:59:01] ep 14 sutter zoom video: think

[00:59:01] Becca: just the, you know, that just lent itself to a

[00:59:03] ep 14 sutter zoom video: lot of the

[00:59:03] Becca: large equipment you need for brewing or distilling. And so,

[00:59:08] Jake: That's cool. I know like cobalt's over there.

[00:59:10] Becca: yeah, yeah, and their second space, because another brewery, I think it closed already, but went into the old Koval space.

[00:59:16] Becca: Their stuff was really good, and they had a really cute Great Dane puppy, and I'm sad that they're not there

[00:59:19] ep 14 sutter zoom video: anymore.

[00:59:20] Becca: I think that was like urban, something artifact urban. I don't know what it was called. But the beer was good and they had a cute dog.

[00:59:26] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah.

[00:59:27] Becca: so yeah, it's called

[00:59:27] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Malt

[00:59:27] Becca: Row. I expect that there'll be some new stuff popping up over there.

[00:59:31] Becca: But

[00:59:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: probably,

[00:59:33] Becca: probably do like a little North Center vibe. Because

[00:59:36] ep 14 sutter zoom video: could

[00:59:36] Becca: do Big Island Dovetail, hit Cultivate. Maybe go up to Half Acre and Spiteful.

[00:59:44] ep 14 sutter zoom video: over in like, I

[00:59:44] Becca: guess that's

[00:59:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Bowmanville Bowmanville.

[00:59:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah. Like behind Andrew

[00:59:48] Becca: or west of Andersonville, Bowmanville, yeah.

[00:59:51] Jake: Hmm. I missed the half acre when it used to be right there on Lincoln and North Center. That place was pretty cool.

[00:59:56] Becca: yeah, it's

[00:59:57] Jake: Been

[00:59:57] Becca: Hot Butcher. It's Hot Butcher now, [01:00:00] yeah. Which is good, we went there, that was actually one of the places we divvied most recently. It was like, it's not that far, but we're probably gonna wanna get like an Uber home, so we divvied over there. Um, yeah, I think that would be enough, I think like that six

[01:00:12] Jake: That's enough.

[01:00:13] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Yeah, there is

[01:00:13] Becca: good, yeah, yeah.

[01:00:15] Becca: And then just take Damen home, then we're good, yeah.

[01:00:17] Jake: Yeah. By the time you get to the fifth or sixth stop on that, you're not even tasting anything anymore.

[01:00:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:00:24] Becca: Yeah, especially, yeah, the bike and brew group we used to do Metra actually promotes this because they'll run extra trains out to some of the suburbs I think on, on certain weekends that are, that have like breweries and restaurants near stops. And so the idea is that you like ride your bike out and then.

[01:00:44] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you get the,

[01:00:45] Becca: you get the, you know, the Metra back to the city.

[01:00:47] Becca: And so we used to do, okay, like it's 50 miles out to like Penrose or wherever, you know.

[01:00:52] Becca: Then we drink a bunch there and then we're right next to a train station and you can like drink some water and sober up a little bit on the Metra on the way back in the [01:01:00] city. So

[01:01:00] ep 14 sutter zoom video: so that

[01:01:01] Becca: was a thing we did like probably four or five times a few years ago. It was a good bike and brew activity. Solomons out in

[01:01:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Naperville, we could take the prairie

[01:01:10] Becca: path out there. And then there's a really good

[01:01:13] ep 14 sutter zoom video: taco place

[01:01:14] Becca: right next to the Metra there, which is great. Cause then you can eat and drink on the Metra.

[01:01:18] Becca: So we would just get like

[01:01:18] ep 14 sutter zoom video: train snacks

[01:01:19] Becca: on the way home. It was

[01:01:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: fun. Nice.

[01:01:23] Jake: I've still never been on a

[01:01:24] Misc: Metra.

[01:01:25] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Really?

[01:01:26] Jake: Never had a, never just never had a reason to, if I'm going to the suburbs, I'm driving, you know?

[01:01:31] Becca: Yeah. I mean, you can get to Milwaukee that way.

[01:01:34] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you know,

[01:01:35] Jake: That's, yeah, you know, and then we actually do get to Milwaukee a couple times, like two or three times a year for various things. So like one of my, that's like our, our little cheat code is like, if there's ever a big concert or something like that coming through Chicago,

[01:01:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you know, Yeah, they're

[01:01:47] Jake: probably going to Milwaukee too.

[01:01:49] Jake: And it's probably going to be like 40 percent cheaper.

[01:01:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So yeah,

[01:01:52] Jake: Milwaukee is pretty close and we got some friends and stuff up there. So I like Milwaukee is pretty nice place up there. So

[01:01:57] Becca: Yeah. We did

[01:01:58] ep 14 sutter zoom video: the, we had

[01:01:59] Becca: like a [01:02:00] random, I don't even know if it

[01:02:02] ep 14 sutter zoom video: it was

[01:02:02] Becca: like, There was a random day off or something, but we did a random trip up to Milwaukee, just because,

[01:02:08] ep 14 sutter zoom video: we're like,

[01:02:09] Becca: okay, but that's

[01:02:10] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like

[01:02:11] Becca: hour and a half? Like, you would spend that on a normal commute anyhow, like, we just found

[01:02:15] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like a super cheap Airbnb and

[01:02:18] Becca: Bay, Bay something neighborhood that was like, pretty close to pretty close to some

[01:02:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: breweries

[01:02:22] Becca: and like, some little like, divey cocktail places that were good.

[01:02:26] Becca: But it was like, yeah, whatever, like, you know, drive up, drive an hour, get an Airbnb and then kind of go to some new places yeah, some friends up there, you know, I just don't think of it like you drive

[01:02:37] ep 14 sutter zoom video: an hour to

[01:02:37] Becca: suburbs and you're like, that's totally normal. But like, once again, the state line makes it hard or something.

[01:02:42] Becca: I don't

[01:02:44] Jake: Right. It's, it's easier to get to Milwaukee than it is a lot

[01:02:47] ep 14 sutter zoom video: of the suburbs. So, yeah.

[01:02:50] Jake: So we can start to we can start to

[01:02:51] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Bring things in

[01:02:53] Jake: a little bit here. So bottom line,

[01:02:54] ep 14 sutter zoom video: just in summary,

[01:02:56] Jake: who would you say that Roscoe village is most ideal for? Like why should [01:03:00] somebody want to live in? Why does somebody want to live in Chicago? In general, and then from there, why Roscoe village,

[01:03:07] ep 14 sutter zoom video: I think

[01:03:07] Becca: Chicago in general is, I think the best part about it is that you kind of, if you find your right neighborhood, which is key, but you find your right neighborhood, you end up kind of just like having your little spots, you know, it can end up feeling very small.

[01:03:22] ep 14 sutter zoom video: And

[01:03:23] Becca: you have like your little routine or whatever and it's not, you know, sometimes people think Chicago and they think of like the loop and kind of all this like

[01:03:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: hustle and bustle.

[01:03:31] ep 14 sutter zoom video: But just the skyline

[01:03:32] Jake: the part that has the skyline. Yeah.

[01:03:34] Becca: Yeah. That's like fun to go do sometimes. But you know, and that was the thing, like I've lived here long enough now that anyone who's come to visit has kind of already done like all the, Oh, we got a picture with the bean and we did all this

[01:03:45] Jake: Mm

[01:03:45] ep 14 sutter zoom video: you know,

[01:03:46] Becca: That then, you know, it's like, okay, but here's like what life is actually like, or like what the places people actually go, you know?

[01:03:53] ep 14 sutter zoom video: So I

[01:03:53] Becca: think you would come here cause you want all the amenities of a big city, but you can kind of choose when to want some of those things, you know?

[01:03:59] Becca: You [01:04:00] find your neighborhood Roscoe Village, I would say it's definitely like an older crowd like you're close to Wrigleyville if

[01:04:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: like

[01:04:05] Becca: your thing, but you should go do that and then move over here.

[01:04:09] Becca: I would say that it's a, you kind of have your, your coffee shops and like your restaurants with patios and. It's a little more chill, a little slower pace which, you know, as I get older, I

[01:04:20] ep 14 sutter zoom video: appreciate

[01:04:21] Becca: that it's not always super loud

[01:04:23] ep 14 sutter zoom video: out and you

[01:04:23] Becca: don't always hear, you know,

[01:04:25] Becca: Yeah, because I lived next to Hopley for a while, which was always really entertaining at closing time, right?

[01:04:29] Becca: And then had

[01:04:30] ep 14 sutter zoom video: other

[01:04:30] Becca: like, quieter places and I always kind of preferred the little, little tucked away off

[01:04:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: on the side street is

[01:04:36] Becca: sometimes. It was nice.

[01:04:37] Jake: Mm hmm.

[01:04:37] Jake: Mm

[01:04:38] ep 14 sutter zoom video: finding your spot and you for more than a year. Like you can't move here

[01:04:43] Becca: stay for more than a year. Like you can't move here in the winter and think that you're going to like it right away.

[01:04:47] Becca: It's not going to work. You need to stay for a full summer. You got to stay for a full summer or it doesn't count.

[01:04:53] Jake: yeah. That's good. That's good notes. All of it. And yeah, even to the point of it being quiet, but you're still one or two train stops [01:05:00] away or a 10 minute bike ride away from all the craziness and chaos that you can handle if you, if that's what you're looking for,

[01:05:05] Becca: Yeah,

[01:05:05] ep 14 sutter zoom video: yeah. But

[01:05:06] Jake: Yeah. Cool. All right. I think I think we nailed it on the, on the neighborhood portion of this. Is there anything, you know, before I hit, hit

[01:05:15] Jake: stop recording here, is there anything else that you would want to highlight or promote? I'm definitely going to have Rebecca's confections in the show notes.

[01:05:23] Jake: Everyone can find her there. You know, maybe so if there's any kind of social media or any other ways to get ahold of you or yeah, just anything else, any other organizations or anything else that you want to

[01:05:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: highlight?

[01:05:32] ep 14 sutter zoom video: If not, that's fine

[01:05:34] Becca: No, I don't think

[01:05:35] ep 14 sutter zoom video: All right,

[01:05:37] Jake: Rebecca, thank you so much for lending your time and educating our audience

[01:05:42] ep 14 sutter zoom video: Roscoe Village and

[01:05:44] Jake: the culinary scene and biking and beers and all kinds of other stuff that we got into dogs. Sure.

[01:05:52] ep 14 sutter zoom video: everybody will love it.

[01:05:52] Jake: So all the best things. Yes.

[01:05:56] ep 14 sutter zoom video: All right.

[01:05:56] Jake: Thank you.

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